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The One Inside: An Internal Family Systems (IFS) podcast

Sep 17, 2021

On today's podcast I chat with Alessio Rizzo and Robert Fox about having hope when treating and living with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Alessio is a fully accredited Gestalt psychotherapist in the UK and a psychotherapy lecturer. He is a Level 3 IFS therapist and has been a PA for Derek Scott on the Stepping Out Program. He is working towards his IFS certification.

Rob is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor who practices in Woburn, Massachusetts. He is a IFS level 3 trained and Certified and an EMDR Certified Therapist. He presented at the 2018 IFS Conference on the topic of treating OCD with IFS Therapy. He was a guest on the IFS Talks podcast about his own personal challenges with OCD and what helped him. 

Listen to the episode here:

A Talk with Robert Fox on OCD type Parts | IFS (

Here is an outline of this episode- all times are ish:

- 11 - Their stories and their passion for OCD

-18 - Other tx modalities (ERP is Exposure Response Prevention)

- 24- Trauma and suffering as an invisible and consistent occurrence

- 26-  Rob's personal story and Alessio's metaphor (Drop of water on a hard rock)

- 35- Frederick Penzel OCD workbook.

- 37- Recognizing patterns for OCD: repressed anger, a lot of shame, no witnessing adult, shame about OCD.

*OCD parts need to be a powerful enough distraction to keep you away from intense shame

39- Their upcoming workshop (link below- November 27, 2021)

45- Lack of availability of OCD therapists and treatment, Stigma of OCD

51- HOPE


To sign up for the OCD workshop:

IFS & Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) - Sistemas de la Familia Interna (

To connect with Alessio:

Therapy with Alessio

To connect with Robert:

Home: Family Therapy | Couples Therapy | Woburn, MA 01801 (

To connect with me:

Home - The One Inside-by Tammy Sollenberger